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	<title>Comments on: Ed Young on Church Planters vs. Pirates</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Bjorlo</title>
		<link>http://plantingpartners.org/2009/03/02/ed-young-on-church-planters-vs-pirates/#comment-1031</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Bjorlo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a church planter who has also parented churches talking to his staff.  I sure wish I had the back story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a church planter who has also parented churches talking to his staff.  I sure wish I had the back story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Gauss</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Gauss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I decided to watch the video after reading Mike&#039;s comments, but I couldn&#039;t even get past the 2 minute mark. I just don&#039;t really care for whiny mega-pastors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I decided to watch the video after reading Mike&#8217;s comments, but I couldn&#8217;t even get past the 2 minute mark. I just don&#8217;t really care for whiny mega-pastors.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Knott</title>
		<link>http://plantingpartners.org/2009/03/02/ed-young-on-church-planters-vs-pirates/#comment-1009</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Knott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Mark.  You&#039;re absolutely right.

Maybe Ed Young, Jr. was going through something really horrible like that.  I&#039;m sure if I was going through something like that, I could be far more infantile than I want to imagine.

Nonetheless, he still comes off amazingly smarmy and self-righteous, which is remarkable for a leader of his caliber.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Mark.  You&#8217;re absolutely right.</p>
<p>Maybe Ed Young, Jr. was going through something really horrible like that.  I&#8217;m sure if I was going through something like that, I could be far more infantile than I want to imagine.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, he still comes off amazingly smarmy and self-righteous, which is remarkable for a leader of his caliber.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bjorlo</title>
		<link>http://plantingpartners.org/2009/03/02/ed-young-on-church-planters-vs-pirates/#comment-1002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Bjorlo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had that same reaction when I first saw this.  But since then I have watched as two churches have been decimated by these &quot;Pirates&quot;.  There is a difference from our sending a planter out and someone who lacks the integrity to plant through healthy systems but uses a church and then splits it or slices deeply from it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had that same reaction when I first saw this.  But since then I have watched as two churches have been decimated by these &#8220;Pirates&#8221;.  There is a difference from our sending a planter out and someone who lacks the integrity to plant through healthy systems but uses a church and then splits it or slices deeply from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Knott</title>
		<link>http://plantingpartners.org/2009/03/02/ed-young-on-church-planters-vs-pirates/#comment-1000</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Knott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know it&#039;s all been said before but I sorta feel baited here.

I cringe at what I hear as self-righteousness - he just bangs away at &quot;sheep stealing&quot; and &quot;sheep trading&quot; but dude! How many people have come to his church from other churches because his work offered better programs, preaching, etc... Did he have a sign at the door saying, &quot;Go back to where you came from, you church-hopping toads!&quot;  Um, I don&#039;t think so.

He gets all fired up about lack of loyalty and betrayal but it&#039;s the same thing - how many talented people came to his work from another?  Did he refuse to develop or employ their talent?  Did he return their tithes &amp; offerings?  I doubt it.

Ed Young, Jr. takes a bit of time to cast aspersions on what others perceive as their call from God ... tread lightly, man.  It&#039;s absolutely fair to question someone&#039;s motives or intentions but I don&#039;t think what I heard here was fair.

And I&#039;m really disturbed about the last piece, &quot;If you haven&#039;t lived it out, I won&#039;t hear from you...&quot;  To me, this simply sounds like so much, again, self-righteousness.

If I had to guess, I would say he has absolutely no idea how much of his ego is tied up in the success of his church.  Absolutely no idea.  He&#039;s been so successful for so long, it&#039;s like he almost thinks he&#039;s speaking for Jesus.  At least, that&#039;s the way I feel listening to this.  But because his ego is so tied up in it and because he identifies his personal feelings with Jesus&#039; personal feelings, he feels personally justified in lashing out at people whom he clearly finds to be threatening.

Honestly, I can relate.  It&#039;s easy to feel threatened by another&#039;s success or to think that anything that might take from my &quot;success&quot; is definitely NOT God&#039;s will.

I pray for that brother.  Hopefully he just had a rough couple months and now he&#039;s doing better.   Hopefully he watches this a year or so down the road and thinks, &quot;Man, I guess I was feeling a little vindictive that day! How petty.  Lord, please forgive me.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s all been said before but I sorta feel baited here.</p>
<p>I cringe at what I hear as self-righteousness &#8211; he just bangs away at &#8220;sheep stealing&#8221; and &#8220;sheep trading&#8221; but dude! How many people have come to his church from other churches because his work offered better programs, preaching, etc&#8230; Did he have a sign at the door saying, &#8220;Go back to where you came from, you church-hopping toads!&#8221;  Um, I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>He gets all fired up about lack of loyalty and betrayal but it&#8217;s the same thing &#8211; how many talented people came to his work from another?  Did he refuse to develop or employ their talent?  Did he return their tithes &amp; offerings?  I doubt it.</p>
<p>Ed Young, Jr. takes a bit of time to cast aspersions on what others perceive as their call from God &#8230; tread lightly, man.  It&#8217;s absolutely fair to question someone&#8217;s motives or intentions but I don&#8217;t think what I heard here was fair.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m really disturbed about the last piece, &#8220;If you haven&#8217;t lived it out, I won&#8217;t hear from you&#8230;&#8221;  To me, this simply sounds like so much, again, self-righteousness.</p>
<p>If I had to guess, I would say he has absolutely no idea how much of his ego is tied up in the success of his church.  Absolutely no idea.  He&#8217;s been so successful for so long, it&#8217;s like he almost thinks he&#8217;s speaking for Jesus.  At least, that&#8217;s the way I feel listening to this.  But because his ego is so tied up in it and because he identifies his personal feelings with Jesus&#8217; personal feelings, he feels personally justified in lashing out at people whom he clearly finds to be threatening.</p>
<p>Honestly, I can relate.  It&#8217;s easy to feel threatened by another&#8217;s success or to think that anything that might take from my &#8220;success&#8221; is definitely NOT God&#8217;s will.</p>
<p>I pray for that brother.  Hopefully he just had a rough couple months and now he&#8217;s doing better.   Hopefully he watches this a year or so down the road and thinks, &#8220;Man, I guess I was feeling a little vindictive that day! How petty.  Lord, please forgive me.&#8221;</p>
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